Weight of a 22" K Zildjian

[DWSlingerland45]

Seller says it's a Ping Ride but the stamp sure looks like a K to me (crescent moon amd star) I'm guessing it's a 90's block letter K no logos are present, and no serial number. He States approx 8 lbs or 3628 grams. A K Heavy Ride? And is that weight what you'd expect for a 22" K heavy Ride? Thanks Mike

 

[zenstat]

With proper photos (top, bottom, stamp) I can tell you a lot more about the mystery cymbal. The hammering and lathing style can distinguish several periods of USA K manufacture from the A Zildjian cymbals of the same era. On the very minimal information provided I can't even rule out that it is a mid 70s to 80s A Zildjian & Cie model which fools some people because that stamp also has a star and a moon.

See: http://black.net.nz/avedis/avedis-gallery.html#AZCieConstan

A more specific answer to the question about weights, from my database:

3628g is in the middle of the weight range expected for a K Heavy Ride model. I have more data from the early period (EAK: 1982-1988) than the intermediate period (1989-1993) and the laser stamp period (1993-present). But the weight ranges are pretty clear which distinguish the different models in decreasing order of weight: Heavy Ride, Ride, Crash Ride, Jazz Ride. In more recent years there is a profusion of K models but fortunately they usually have their model ink intact so it is easier to collect the data.

In terms of A Zildjian models tracking specific models and weights back in time is a more difficult task because so much model ink has gone from earlier ones. Here's what I do have for the 1970s-1990s:

HEAVY RIDE 3799g (there a plenty of others up to 4000g but no model ink)
DEEP RIDE 3500g-3600g (produced 1979-1984, reprise 2002-2005)
PING RIDE 3380g
MEDIUM RIDE 3100g-3400g (plus one post 2013 redesign at 2888g for comparison)
MEDIUM 2800g-2900g (1960s MEDIUM ink rather than MEDIUM RIDE)
MEDIUM THIN CRASH 2532g

Contrary to popular belief, what makes a PING RIDE a PING RIDE isn't just the weight, although weight is a major factor. It also has to do with some other sonic factors which arise because of the degree curvature of the bow, lathing, etc. I'm still working on documenting what makes a PING tick.

 

[blueshadow]

I have a 22" K from 2000 and its around 3100 grams so 3600 would be in line for a heavy.

 

[Tama CW]

If the K ride has only block letters each side (no logo's).....I'd check for fine EAK lathing along with lack of the Reg "R" trade mark at the base of each K. Could be an EAK for IAK.

 

[zenstat]

If the K ride has only block letters each side (no logo's).....I'd check for fine EAK lathing along with lack of the Reg "R" trade mark at the base of each K. Could be an EAK for IAK.

Since he said "no logos are present, and no serial number" I wasn't expecting a K on it anywhere. If it had K ink that usually of makes it a K, unless it's one of the few which has the K ink but isn't a K. Yes there are a few where somebody added K ink themselves. Usually not very convincingly. Part of the confusion is use of the term logo which depending on who is using it on the day can mean: a trademark stamp pressed in with a die, some ink saying Zildjian, or ink in the familiar striped K style. And yes both sorts of ink can be with or without the . It is all much easier with a picture.

 

[DWSlingerland45]

Sorry guys I'm having trouble saving the picture from the ad... Still working on it....

 

[DWSlingerland45]

At any rate I actually can't see any hammer marks at all so I think Steve ( Zenstat) has nailed it again. 70's -80's A Zildjian & Cie. It looks like an older Zildjian A but with the Star and Crescent logo like a K ... The pictures of the stamp are horrible and taken at a strange angle too. It's a FB ad so I'm sure that's why I can't save the pictures.

 

[zenstat]

You could try a screen shot...but I seem to remember being able to save pictures after clicking on them (maybe right click?). I'd ask for a link and check for you, but I deleted my Facebook account a month or so ago. I only had an account (in the name Ms Zen Stat a 47 year old Truck Driver from Minnesota ) so I could look at some photos I was directed to. Maybe somebody else here still does anti-social media. I've dropped out to spend more time on proper research and data analysis.

Sellers calling any 20" or larger cymbal which feels heavy to them a PING is like all the sellers who advertise any cymbal in the 16" to 18" range as a CRASH.