Favorite Recorded China/Pang/Swish

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George Suranovich's playing on Love's "Talking In My Sleep" from their 1969 album "Four Sail" is one that comes to mind for me recently. Pretty simple usage throughout but much more effective than a standard crash would have been in its place in my opinion (altho there is a secondary crash used in parts of the song as well). Sits really nice in the mix and I like the sound they got out of it, whatever it was. Coulda been a garbage can lid for all I know, but it's got a distinct China sound to my ears anyway. Either way, underrated record, and drummer...
 
It has to be Jon Hiseman, Tomorrow's blues Live 05 at the 2:22 mark.
Not sure what it is, sounds like a large Signature Thin, but they never made any Signature larger than 22". Maybe they made him a 24" Sound Creation Dark China. I don't think it was a 2002, when I saw him in 2015 it didn't have the Chinese kinda bell found on the 2002.

Anyhow, it sounds perfect to me :)
 
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Rob G. said:
And I'll add to this the "trash can lid" cymbal Dizzy Gillespie owned that he insisted all his drummers play. Listen to pretty much any recording of Manteca to hear what I mean. I have an old Sabian flat china with a couple of rivets that sounds pretty darn close.
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It’s all over the “Dizzy on The French Riviera” album, albeit often partially obscured by Dizzy on Tambourine (this is a live clip from that era)

 
old_K_ride said:
the guy who brought the pang/swish/china to the fore over 35 years ago will always get my vote...Billy Cobham.
anytime he played his Pang on any Mahavishnu Orchestra recording is my favorite!
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Two of my favorite albums back in the day were Live in Europe by Billy Cobham/George Duke Band and "ALIVEMUTHAFORYA". Fantastic china sound on those albums. I found a 20" Zildjian Swish at Drums Ltd in Chicago that sounded exactly like it. It had a special "Hand selected for Drums Ltd" stamp on it!
 
Hamilton's China ride sound during the intro is not brash but just abrasive enough to get some momentum going. Then he settles in on the more comfortable sounding ride when the A section starts. Always tasty!

 
311Club said:
It has to be Jon Hiseman, Tomorrow's blues Live 05 at the 2:22 mark.
Not sure what it is, sounds like a large Signature Thin, but they never made any Signature larger than 22". Maybe they made him a 24" Sound Creation Dark China. I don't think it was a 2002, when I saw him in 2015 it didn't have the Chinese kinda bell found on the 2002.

Anyhow, it sounds perfect to me :)
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The only documentation I have is his 1980 "profiles III" setup that included a 2002 24" china, this was the only 24" china that Paiste made up until recently..... (24" 2002 J.R. swish)
He could have had a 24" special ordered from a different series, but to me, this DOES sound like a 2002 24" china, the SC dark china's sound much different and much "dryer" than the B8 china's Paiste made (see post below).
 
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This song probably holds the record for most "china hits" in one song!!


MK I 20" sound creation dark china! The last album Phil was still using 602's and Sound creations......

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Mel Lewis / Thad Jones recordings. Peter Erskine’s instructional videos (not the 90s one, but the two he did later on). I’m in love with the Zildjian swish.

JR Robinson’s instructional DVD has some great swish sounds. Billy Cobham solo albums. Rolling Stones “She’s so cold.” Bernard Purdie’s instruction video with the Sonors…looks like a Sabian brilliant finish of some sort. For the record, I like the way Bernard incorporates it better than anyone.
 
charlesm said:
Howie Wyeth had a great sounding China on Dylan's Desire album and the Rolling Thunder stuff. I used to be friends with a guy who was Wyeth's roommate at one time, and he said Wyeth was one of the first non-fusion drummers to use a China prominently in his kit.
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ya! my favorite... got me into that sound. A 24" Paiste black label 2oo2... you can see it on their live stuff. For me that sounds like no other china; refined (sort of) and you can ride on it too. A couple years back I found a 20" in perfect condition for 200 euros. I'm waiting for a beat up 24" in my price range.
 
Agree with lots of comments before but for me it’s Billy Cobham….still!!! The first two Mahavishnu albums and Spectrum. That’s what got me into me having a bunch of Pangs/ Chinas/Swishes to this day. I’d never heard anything like it and I loved everything about his playing to death.
Inner Mounting Flame was the first album I had to replace as I wore the first one out.I must have put my band mates back in the late 70’s through hell with my constant overplaying on them!
 
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