Paiste Ludwig cymbals--what's the scoop?

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Another vote for crap. I've played a handful of them and they were all awful. And this from an avowed "cheap cymbals" guy. Stinkeroo.
 
Drumstyx7a said:
I found a 14" Stanople once and it sounds like it was a bottom HH ....
Robb
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Bottom high hat cymbal....that's a very good description for these Robb. Unfortunately it seems to apply to all of them. Every one I've run across that was my thought as the only potential use for it, even if it were an 18". Problem is I have yet to find any that would be suitable as a hi-hat top (let alone a crash or even decent sounding ride...although I've never run across any bigger than an 18").
 
I've got a pair of 14" Standards, one marked 'medium' in red, weighing 690g., & one marked 'thin' in red, at 590g.; I like 'em. Nice change from my heavier Tosco/Sabian b-20's......marko
Oh yeah, I've also got a totally crappy 16" standard crash. Makes me wince to hit it. Should just be thrown away.
 
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nice weight on those hats marko. bet they sound great....


mike
 
I guess those of us that have those cymbals could just go to Hobby Lobby or Michael's and get a cheap quartz clock movement and then clean up a bit and make a clock out of them!!!

Did that once with another cymbal ... don't even know what happened to it either now that I think about it...got lost in a move I guess.



Robb
 
Last week I took a chance on a 16" thin crash for 50 bucks shipped and it turned out to be a nice cymbal.Like I said it hit and miss with them.............
 
I'll have to try to track down a thin one sometime. I've never run across one I'd classify as anything but "heavy".
 
Kevin,The thin ones are out there......I just found a thin 14" crash and I am waiting for it to arrive....Hope its a good one........Vinny
 
Back in the early 70's I had a clubdate 20 bass and a pioneer snare. Both black and gold duco. An 18 Ludwig Paiste came with em. It wasn't good enough to use seriously and not bad enough to throw out. can't remember what happened to it....
 
My all-time best garage sale find (1969 SBP Ludwigs with a 1959 WMP Radio King) included a set of Paiste Ludwig cymbals, 15" hi-hats, 16" crash and 18" crash/ride with 6 rivets. All were thin weight (don't remember the weights, or even if I ever weighed them) but certainly not heavy at all. They were made in Switzerland, and not Standards -- just Ludwig Paiste. They had the glassy, almost brittle sound I've heard from pretty much all Paiste cymbals, but with less body and power than I cared for. Not bad overall, they weren't junk but not my favorites either. Great for miced or studio use, but just too weak for live use. I will say that the 18" with rivets was the best crash/ride I've ever heard...usually I prefer separate cymbals for riding & crashing, but this 18" had it all in one package. I sold the lot of them to Ned at Vintage Drum Center about 15 years ago. I never saw any Paiste Ludwigs before those and haven't owned or played any since then, so I don't have any other experience with them. Maybe I was one of the lucky ones, I don't know?

Jeff
 
BennyK said:
Back in the early 70's I had a clubdate 20 bass and a pioneer snare. Both black and gold duco. An 18 Ludwig Paiste came with em. It wasn't good enough to use seriously and not bad enough to throw out. can't remember what happened to it....
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brass wall clock maybe benny??.... :idea1: :wink:


mike
 
here's a thin one...

http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-Old-14-LUDWIG-STANDARD-Paiste-THIN-CRASH-Cymbal_W0QQitemZ120506202751QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintgae_Drums_Percussion?hash=item1c0ebaba7f


mike
 
mlayton said:
BennyK said:
Back in the early 70's I had a clubdate 20 bass and a pioneer snare. Both black and gold duco. An 18 Ludwig Paiste came with em. It wasn't good enough to use seriously and not bad enough to throw out. can't remember what happened to it....
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brass wall clock maybe benny??.... :idea1: :wink:


mike
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Not a bad idea... :razz: :occasion5:
 
maybe they are reading our thread. the last thin one i posted sold quickly. here is another.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-Old-15-LUDWIG-STANDARD-Paiste-THIN-CRASH-Cymbal_W0QQitemZ120506647722QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintgae_Drums_Percussion?hash=item1c0ec184aa


mike
 
mlayton said:
maybe they are reading our thread. the last thin one i posted sold quickly. here is another.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-Old-15-LUDWIG-STANDARD-Paiste-THIN-CRASH-Cymbal_W0QQitemZ120506647722QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintgae_Drums_Percussion?hash=item1c0ec184aa
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That's a nice-lookin' cymbal. The quality of it looks quite a bit better than my Paiste Supers.
 
mlayton said:
maybe they are reading our thread. the last thin one i posted sold quickly. here is another.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-Old-15-LUDWIG-STANDARD-Paiste-THIN-CRASH-Cymbal_W0QQitemZ120506647722QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintgae_Drums_Percussion?hash=item1c0ec184aa

mike
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Maybe someone with some old WFL/Ludwig catalogs can look these up. I do know that these cymbals are definitely not all crap. The first one you posted a link to was stamped "Standard" and "Made in Germany". The second is stamped "Standard" and "Swiss".

I know that at least some of the cymbals WFL sold in the late 50's were stamped "Made in Germany". I assume they moved to Switzerland in the early 60's? I have a set of 1958 red-sparkle WFL's that came with original Paiste "Made in Germany" cymbals (I got the original sales receipt too). They are stamped "Ludwig" with three stars around it; then "Paiste" in script; then Made in Germany; then Chicago. They aren't marked "Standard" and don't have the shooting star. I don't know since I don't have a catalog, but I have always guessed that these were their higher line, and the Standards were the lower line. The ride is a 21", thin enough to show the stamp on the other side, weighs about 2100 grams, and has lots of obvious hand hammering. It doesn't sound just like vintage Zildjians, but then one vintage Zildjian doesn't sound the same as another anyway. I'de put it up there with the vintage K's and A's I own. DEFINITELY not crap.
 
Here is the cymbal page from the 59 catalog...doesn't help too much.
 
Ok - doing some research here on Nickel Silver. I sense the overall concensus here is that they (at least the Paiste Luddy Standards) are "crap".

It reminded me of a video I recently saw - Terry Keating whipped out a Nickel Silver large crash - a "Krut Special" of all things.....Is not the concensus on KRUT even worse than the Luddy Standards? Anyhow...........here is prrof that some Nickel Silver CAN sound GOOD:

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For those of you who are interested......I am going to start a thread over at the VDF on Nickel Silver cymbals:

http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=46523
 
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Leedyman said:
I have a bunch of them,Ludwig standards,Stanoples,supers,ect.....Some of them are great and again some are crap....its hit and miss with them....The key is to get them cheap and you might get a score.......I am a firm believer that it dont have to be expensive to sound good........
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i had taken a stick and walked many a cymbal hitting displays of all varieties ,I've played the best over the years ,then one day i found and 18 ,i never knew such a model until 2007 i hit a display out of thousands this 18 cried out I'm the one I'm the one ,,,,,so yes my friends the 18 paiste ludwig made in germany was the most beautiful better than my 602 .believe it they are out there ,i reluctantly sold it ,but tonight I've finally blindly am buying an 18 on line ,btw back when i had the 18 i later bought 14 and 13 hats then 16 15 20 and a 22 ,the 16 was good but the others were crap but i suspect the 18s are all great so hopefully without hearing the cymbal I'm buying tonight it will arrive and sound like the magic i remember ,german made
 
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