Got some new K Constantinople and A Avedis cymbals, first impressions

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K Con 22" bounce ride--obviously way too trashy, big sounding, and difficult to control. This one definitely goes to 11. It's just so loud, complex and in-your-face that I find it unusable for most music. You have to REALLY baby it or it washes out everything in its path. I think it would take a big band with a loud horn section to compete with this cymbal. And perhaps in that situation, it would really shine.

K Con 20" medium ride--my favorite K con ride by far. Complex but with a good fundamental tone and great stick definition, not too washy. Easy to control. A real swiss army knife of a cymbal. If you don't think you like K con rides, try this one.

K Con 16" crash--weird cymbal. I have to really crash it to make it sound good, otherwise, it just sounds boxy. The decay is too fast. Anyone else feel like this? I noticed that the 18" crash has a larger bell and all the rest of them have this tiny little bell. The 16" sounds "pretty good" if I don't think too much and just hit it hard. Not really the style I expect from a K Con. It almost plays like a splash cymbal. I would've preferred something I could hit with the tip of my stick a bit more. Maybe a little more meat and sustain. It's like it's there and gone in a flash.

K Con 14" hats--beautiful, not a single complaint. These are some of the best sounding hats I've ever played. I fully recommend these.

A Avedis 21" ride--shimmering, crystal clear definition, higher pitch than you'd guess by look and feel. Best bell of any ride I've played, absolutely a blast to play around with the bell. The mid-cymbal stick definition is awesome but I feel like the tone is a bit thin. Reminds me of the ride on "Evil Ways".

A Avedis 14" hats--I was not super impressed with these, but I think they might grow on me. I just don't hear a whole lot of tone from them. Maybe that's the purpose (they do have a good chik-chik sound). I think they'd fit in well in an all electric band. But if you are looking for "musicality" in a hi-hat these are not for you. I would love to hear some different opinions as maybe I'm judging too harshly.
 
Good for you. I had a 22 Bounce......I agree with your assessment. I am trying to find a 22 Ren....

As for the 14" K Con hats - I have now owned 2 pairs - they don't do it for me.....I sold the first ones and am going to sell these, too.
Glad to hear they work for you....

I had 2 18" K Con crashes - they didn't do it for me. Got rid of them. I would think the 16" is the same thing. I'll stick to K dark or K Custom dark crashes if I need them in the future.
 
I played a 20" Bounce and loved it, however it was sold before I could grab it. I can see where a 22 might run away and be uncontrollable. The 18" crash I love and the 16 I hate for the exact same reasons .... I played a 17 and it was horrible too, it had a him or buzz that made me think it was broken actually, but I couldn't find anything wrong. K Con hats yes yes yes! Never played any new Avedis series yet, but I hear good things.
 
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Love my 14" K Con hats, 22" Renaissance ride. Had an 18" crash, didn't like it, had one sound and that's it, no dynamics to it, sold it.
 
Yea....what is the deal with the K con crashes? They just don't sound very good. In this thread we have one vote for the 18" K con crash, and two votes against it. One no-vote for the 17". And I'm definitely a no on the 16". They crash pretty well if you hit it hard but that is the only sound they have. Subtle stick action produces boxy, lifeless sound--the complete opposite of what I'd expect from the line. It's like they put all their effort into the rides and the crashes were an after-thought. Or perhaps the rides are just so huge and complex sounding, they felt they needed something different for the crashes. I'd love to hear from someone who likes these cymbals and why....

I just picked up the 18" A Avedis crash and THAT is a good sounding crash cymbal. Perfect bell, crashes easily if you want it to but also responds to subtle stick action, nice pitch. It's just a great cymbal. If you are looking for an 18" crash with a vintage vibe definitely check this one out.

The A Avedis hats are growing on me. Really a versatile hi hat with a vintage, utilitarian vibe. Not the musical hi-hat like the K cons but for everything else the A Avedis covers it. I think with these two sets of hats, I really should never need another pair.

20" K Con medium ride is still one of my favorite rides of all time.
 
I actually use a Paiste Traditional 16" crash that has lots of the tones, like I would expect from the K Con crashes.
 
Good descriptions.
I picked up a 22" K Con Medium a few months ago and absolutely love it.
 
I've got a 20" K Con Medium - it can do no wrong.
Just a beautiful sounding cymbal all around.

I tried the A Avedis 14 hats and wasn't real sure what to think of them.
They felt real stiff, and a little shock inducing on the hands from the sticks.
The sound was a bit generic too. I didn't have trouble walking out without them.
Maybe a longer test drive would have given me a different impression though.
 
I had pretty much the exact same set-up for a while - 22" Bounce, 20" Medium and 14" Hi-Hats.
Loved the 22". I play with a very soft touch, and it sounded killer with maple sticks, but in the end I too found it to be a bit too much cymbal for me.
Agreed on the 20", this is simply a beautiful all-around crash/ride.
Never really got on with the hats, too sloshy/trashy for me (same with another pair I tried at the shop) - great for some applications, but not all that versatile IMHO.
All in all a lovely set, but I ultimately sold it on.

As for the 16", my dealer has been trying to sell one for years (lowered the price again just last week) because it really doesnt sound that good. Hard to get it to speak, and it doesnt have a very pleasant voice.

The 14" Avedis hats on the other hand - tried them, loved them, bought them. More subtle and tighter than the New Beats, and perfect for the jazz/hip-hop/electronica vibe Im going for. Superb instruments.
 
protovack said:
Yea....what is the deal with the K con crashes? They just don't sound very good.
They are among the most inconsistent of any Zildjian I've tried. It took persistent auditioning, but I have 15", 16", 17", 18" and 19"crash/ride that all work. Love my 22" renny and 14" hats - want to find a set of 13" hats!
 
protovack said:
Yea....what is the deal with the K con crashes?
They are crazy stiff and won't "let go". You have to really hit them to get a "systemic reaction" from them.

20" K Con medium ride is still one of my favorite rides of all time.
No doubt. I have one that's actually lighter than my 20" K Con Medium Thin Low...
 
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