K Istanbul Identification

[funkypoodle]

Stumbled across this 12" inch K Istanbul on my way home from teaching this afternoon. It was in a pawnshop and I couldn't very well leave it there, so it followed me home. I don't have the means to weigh it at home, but it's quite heavy for its size. Bottom hat, maybe? The stamp is way up near the edge. could it have been cut down? The edge doesn't reflect that. Zenstat?

 

[zenstat]

Interesting lathing on the bottom side. If I didn't have the other photos I'd say that looks like the Italian lathing where the operator stops periodically leaving distinct steps like that. Yet there is that Italian style lathing on a K Zildjian Istanbul Old Stamp 2b. At least I think it is a 2b. The next closest is a 3a and the difference is in the relative height of the

MADE IN TURKEY (Type 2s have the shorter IN)

vs

MADE IN TURKEY (Type 3s have the IN same height as MADE and TURKEY)

as well as how closely the phrase MADE IN TURKEY wraps around the crescent moon. The other distinguishing feature is the size of the star. The star is a little smaller in the Type 3s and doesn't touch the crescent moon. Unfortunately your photo is short of sufficient detail in that top area. You might be able to see those two details holding it in your hand.

The trademarks are right out on the edge often enough in Old Stamps that it isn't necessarily a sign that a cymbal has been cut down.

Hope this helps.

 

[funkypoodle]

Interesting lathing on the bottom side. If I didn't have the other photos I'd say that looks like the Italian lathing where the operator stops periodically leaving distinct steps like that. Yet there is that Italian style lathing on a K Zildjian Istanbul Old Stamp 2b. At least I think it is a 2b. The next closest is a 3a and the difference is in the relative height of the

MADE IN TURKEY (Type 2s have the shorter IN)

vs

MADE IN TURKEY (Type 3s have the IN same height as MADE and TURKEY)

as well as how closely the phrase MADE IN TURKEY wraps around the crescent moon. The other distinguishing feature is the size of the star. The star is a little smaller in the Type 3s and doesn't touch the crescent moon. Unfortunately your photo is short of sufficient detail in that top area. You might be able to see those two details holding it in your hand.

The trademarks are right out on the edge often enough in Old Stamps that it isn't necessarily a sign that a cymbal has been cut down.

Hope this helps.

THank you very much! It seems it's a Hartrick Old Stamp 2B. Large K (& Co,), star touching crescent moon. THis is correct?

 

[funkypoodle]

PS: Just played it as bottom hat with a 12" HHX Evolution on top & it pleased me immensely. Now I get the keyhole. It was a probably mod to fit modern stands. BTW, impossible to see IN in Made In Turkey.

 

[zenstat]

Yes looks 2b 2 me given the size of the star. in that new image Good to hear it does nicely as a bottom hat. In the end, that matters a lot more to me than some Shakespearean existential dilemma "2b or not 2b, that is the question". However, may I add your images to my collection in case I do come up with another way to distinguish the 2s and 3s which doesn't rely on the size of the IN? My longer term goal is to come up with 5 or so diagnostic tests in different regions so we aren't stumped when parts are poorly pressed in or missing entirely.

 

[funkypoodle]

Yes looks 2b 2 me given the size of the star. in that new image Good to hear it does nicely as a bottom hat. In the end, that matters a lot more to me than some Shakespearean existential dilemma "2b or not 2b, that is the question". However, may I add your images to my collection in case I do come up with another way to distinguish the 2s and 3s which doesn't rely on the size of the IN? My longer term goal is to come up with 5 or so diagnostic tests in different regions so we aren't stumped when parts are poorly pressed in or missing entirely.

Of course you may use the photo! Thanks again for your guidance & willingness to share invaluable info!