Tama 50th Anniversary Bell Brass

[SpinaDude]

I want it. Not interested in "investement". Just interested in sound.

+1 to that. I don't think I hear that enough.

 

[Mcjnic]

I want it. Not interested in "investement". Just interested in sound.

ditto.

 

[bellbrass]

I would be willing to bet that it's being made in the hundreds, not thousands.

 

[Living Dead Drummer]

One of Tama's artists told me this was on the way at NAMM, so it's for real.
I want one, just not at that price tag.

 

[Scottie15]

So, if Tama offers the parts to this drum. Seems like it would still be cheaper to have Duluth build you one.

Duluth isn't making shells or hoops any more. So options include Guven directly (heard they're the ones casting these Tama shells), Oriollo, VK, or any other foundries casting shells.

 

[Trilock_Gurtu]

Duluth isn't making shells or hoops any more. So options include Guven directly (heard they're the ones casting these Tama shells), Oriollo, VK, or any other foundries casting shells.

Two things wouldn't surprise me: 1. Tama doesn't offer the parts, and 2. Guven (or whoever is doing the shells) signs some sort of non compete deal. If Tama is doing a oversized model like the 1980 version, no way you'll get that same shell from the company who's making them for Tama, just like Keller and Nordic have deals with drum companies to not reproduce that companies design (can you order a Gretsch shell from Keller? Nope).

Imo, a lot rests on the final details of the production model soon to be released, and if it sounds like a true blue 80's Tama BB. If it does, watch out.

 

[TheDrummerFromAmsterdam]

Duluth isn't making shells or hoops any more. So options include Guven directly (heard they're the ones casting these Tama shells), Oriollo, VK, or any other foundries casting shells.

Duluth is back making shells since a few months but in a limited quantity and spec.

 

[TheDrummerFromAmsterdam]

Two things wouldn't surprise me: 1. Tama doesn't offer the parts, and 2. Guven (or whoever is doing the shells) signs some sort of non compete deal. If Tama is doing a oversized model like the 1980 version, no way you'll get that same shell from the company who's making them for Tama, just like Keller and Nordic have deals with drum companies to not reproduce that companies design (can you order a Gretsch shell from Keller? Nope).

Imo, a lot rests on the final details of the production model soon to be released, and if it sounds like a true blue 80's Tama BB. If it does, watch out.

Its funny because Dulth did exact repo shells of the DW concaved shells, eventhough they made them for DW too, before John took a break.

 

[DrumCenterNH]

I want it. Not interested in "investement". Just interested in sound.

This is the correct way to look at it. Drums are tools at the end of the day!

 

[Steech]

At least you can now actually get one

Those batches were all snatched up and sell for huge prices now

So I guess in a way

You can actually get one

Snatched Batches would be a great punk rock band name.

 

[Trilock_Gurtu]

This is the correct way to look at it. Drums are tools at the end of the day!

Tony, you guys are the best ones to do a side by side comparison of the 1980 BB and the new 50th BB. Make it happen, capt.

#bbdrumnerdporn

 

[bluejacketsfan]

What is the issue causing the hurt?

My guess is that people were buying BB's thinking it was a "win-win" proposition. Or, perhaps they bought to re-sell at a much higher price.

 

[Treviso1]

Its funny because Dulth did exact repo shells of the DW concaved shells, eventhough they made them for DW too, before John took a break.

Yes, I have one in 7x14 that is a beast. It is set up with Ludwig hardware and I have been using it live with my ZZ Top Tribute Band: ThunderBeard for several months.

 

[CarlTama]

For all you fools who thinks this effects the vintage bell brass market you are nuts. First off the OG shells make up has never been duplicated not even by Tama. They were unaware in the 80’s exactly what they created. By the time it became a thing foundaries were switched and the original foundary was closed thus taking “the recipe” with them. The 45th anniversary was centrifuge shell and never sounded close to an OG. It has NOT been confirmed if these are the same. The company that made the shells for Tama does make centrifuge shells so until it’s confirmed there’s a lot to learn here. And lastly if the drum is sand cast it is still not the OG recipe nor will it ever be. In fact anyone thinking this lessens the vintage prices unfortunately you couldn’t be more wrong. This increases a demand for a product that can’t NOT be replicated. And for the record I fought hard against the inflated prices but these being mass produced only increases desires for a limited product!

 

[Mapex Always]

For all you fools who thinks this effects the vintage bell brass market you are nuts. First off the OG shells make up has never been duplicated not even by Tama. They were unaware in the 80’s exactly what they created. By the time it became a thing foundaries were switched and the original foundary was closed thus taking “the recipe” with them. The 45th anniversary was centrifuge shell and never sounded close to an OG. It has NOT been confirmed if these are the same. The company that made the shells for Tama does make centrifuge shells so until it’s confirmed there’s a lot to learn here. And lastly if the drum is sand cast it is still not the OG recipe nor will it ever be. In fact anyone thinking this lessens the vintage prices unfortunately you couldn’t be more wrong. This increases a demand for a product that can’t NOT be replicated. And for the record I fought hard against the inflated prices but these being mass produced only increases desires for a limited product!

Carl my man , I’m not saying you’re wrong or right , but with this being your first post , no reason to come down on a bunch of people that may have different thoughts than yours.

Not too many “fools” on this board. In fact, when it comes to the instrument called drums , this is one of the most informative places on the planet.

By the way, merry Christmas buddy

 

[Trilock_Gurtu]

For all you fools who thinks this effects the vintage bell brass market you are nuts. First off the OG shells make up has never been duplicated not even by Tama. They were unaware in the 80’s exactly what they created. By the time it became a thing foundaries were switched and the original foundary was closed thus taking “the recipe” with them. The 45th anniversary was centrifuge shell and never sounded close to an OG. It has NOT been confirmed if these are the same. The company that made the shells for Tama does make centrifuge shells so until it’s confirmed there’s a lot to learn here. And lastly if the drum is sand cast it is still not the OG recipe nor will it ever be. In fact anyone thinking this lessens the vintage prices unfortunately you couldn’t be more wrong. This increases a demand for a product that can’t NOT be replicated. And for the record I fought hard against the inflated prices but these being mass produced only increases desires for a limited product!

Calm down.

Now, you're right that not all details have been confirmed (for those that care about such things).

RE: Shell metal makeup. The exact metal makeup from the 1980 shell can indeed be recreated, it's not hard (and I'm pretty sure someone already did it), take a tiny sample from an OG shell and have it analyzed. Super easy. Super accurate. It's a snare shell, not the ark covenant.

RE: Oversized shell. This is rumoured to be true. Easy to do.

RE: Production method (sand cast, centrifuge, or?). Lots of chat about this, and I do think this plays a huge factor, imo. Sand cast=warmer/thicker sound, centrifuge=harder/higher sound (45th model). That thick gut punch sound from the 80 BB is the sound most want.

RE: Origin of production. This could be a factor for some, in regards to the pricing. If it's a $300 Guven shell finished off in the Tama China factory, for 4K...that could be a rough sale for some. Some care, some don't, but you don't want to lose a slice of your very niche high priced market to such a detail.

If Tama wants to replicate the 1980 BB, they can do it. If they do, then yes, it will most likely hurt the vintage BB value. As stated, this is dependant on the final details.

One final thought. Even if a few details are lacking, but the new BB turns out to sound the same...that could be an X factor. I mean, in the end it's all about that classic 80 BB sound. If the vast majority of your potential buyers are happy with most details (especially look and sound), then obviously it could have a negative affect on the used BB market. Sound comparisons and final details will tell us.

Lets see how it plays out...bun intended.

 

[felis]

I have always wanted butt tone control.

I was born with one.

 

[Steech]

I was born with one.

Show off.

 

[Markkuliini]

For all you fools who thinks this effects the vintage bell brass market you are nuts. First off the OG shells make up has never been duplicated not even by Tama. They were unaware in the 80’s exactly what they created. By the time it became a thing foundaries were switched and the original foundary was closed thus taking “the recipe” with them. The 45th anniversary was centrifuge shell and never sounded close to an OG. It has NOT been confirmed if these are the same. The company that made the shells for Tama does make centrifuge shells so until it’s confirmed there’s a lot to learn here. And lastly if the drum is sand cast it is still not the OG recipe nor will it ever be. In fact anyone thinking this lessens the vintage prices unfortunately you couldn’t be more wrong. This increases a demand for a product that can’t NOT be replicated. And for the record I fought hard against the inflated prices but these being mass produced only increases desires for a limited product!

It is this simple: If people think that reissue lowers the value of the originals, then the value has already been lowered.
Because the value of OGs is very much an abstract that's formed by a belief that their price will hold and likely increase all the time. If that belief is affected, then the value has been affected.

A real life, undeniable, example; after knowing about reissue, I would now pay less for an OG.

 

[TheDrummerFromAmsterdam]

For all you fools who thinks this effects the vintage bell brass market you are nuts. First off the OG shells make up has never been duplicated not even by Tama. They were unaware in the 80’s exactly what they created. By the time it became a thing foundaries were switched and the original foundary was closed thus taking “the recipe” with them. The 45th anniversary was centrifuge shell and never sounded close to an OG. It has NOT been confirmed if these are the same. The company that made the shells for Tama does make centrifuge shells so until it’s confirmed there’s a lot to learn here. And lastly if the drum is sand cast it is still not the OG recipe nor will it ever be. In fact anyone thinking this lessens the vintage prices unfortunately you couldn’t be more wrong. This increases a demand for a product that can’t NOT be replicated. And for the record I fought hard against the inflated prices but these being mass produced only increases desires for a limited product!

You have a Tama BB you wanted to sell and you are upset now.v

Or are you that seller that tried to drive up the price ended up NOT selling that snare in the end