updated title: Zildjian IAK and EAKs - I just got a nice 19" IAK

[blueshadow]

Have not seen a Dark Crash in a 19" size, I knew they made them but had never seen one and have been wanting a 19" cymbal for a while, can't wait to get a stick on this one. Says its about 1651 gm's so think it will be a nice small ride and a big crash.


edit: updated weight according to seller.

 

[JazzyJeff]

Very nice - Congrats! I've never seen a 19" IAK dark either.

Wouldn't mind hearing a sound file of it if you have the chance...

 

[zenstat]

Pretty. I haven't seen one of these before either.

Based on the models info from Zildjian the K 19" Dark Crash came out in 1990, and the Dark Crashes were split into Dark Crash Thin and Dark Crash Medium Thin in 1993. So if yours doesn't have a laser serial number that would pin it down to 1990, 1991, 1992. And if it does have a laser stamp you can get the year from that.

And I second a call for a sound file if you can manage it.

 

[blueshadow]

No Serial...here's a few more pics from the auction, Zen I assume you can use them, or I'll take pictures when I get it and you can certainly use them. I'll also do a sound file, best that I can anyways...hoping to have by the weekend. Have two gigs Saturday, one where I could use it just with hats as a crash/ride and a gig right after where I can use on the left as a big crash along with my 22" K Ride on the right.

 

[zenstat]

Thanks Chris. These photos are good for my records. I'm slowly accumulating info to pin down a few of the change points like EAK to IAK style lathing, and the later change back. Same with the ink changes with things like the comings and goings of K vs Zildjian on the bottom. But it's a background task and I'm not pursuing it full time. Just stashing things away for future reference.

 

[blueshadow]

Haven't had a chance to get a good soundfile but have played three gigs with it and it's a great crash. Big but fairly low in the mix I guess because of it's size. It doesn't have a huge attack it just kind of swells into a crash. I really like it. Not much of a ride though but that's ok.

 

[Jorn]

These days I dont think the medium is available. The 19 K Dark Thin and the 19 K Sweet crash are my 2 favourite crashes. The Sweet has a bit more shimmer to it. Wonderful cymbals!

 

[Tama CW]

Zenstat, another one for your files. 17" China boy at 1106 gms - has the 1980's stamp with the large "CO." Interesting that the stamp is about 2/3 obliterated and very hard to read. Never seen one that weak before. And the stamp is under the inking for the "china boy," making it less likely to get noticed.

 

[zenstat]

Zenstat, another one for your files. 17" at 1106 gms - has the 1980's stamp with the large "CO."

Thanks. This might turn into a "K cymbals in prime number sizes" thread at this rate.

All the USA Ks seem to have the same stamp from 1982-1993. Then the laser stamps came in at 1994.

Given the stylistic similarities between the K Zildjian version (which says Avedis Zildjian Company in the Ottoman portion)

and the Avedis Zildjian CO. stamp

it is tempting to think that the Avedis Zildjian CO. stamp also came into use in 1982 as well. I've never been able to pin down the exact year on other independent evidence but 19821 looks very likely for the Avedis Zildjian CO. stamp.

But back to China Boy...the model intro list says they came in in 1984 (in 17" and 19"). In 1996 the Boy was dropped from the naming, at least for the A Family. The model into list doesn't explicitly mention the K Family as far as name changes goes. Boy it's complicated following all this model information.

 

[JazzDrumGuy]

Zen, if the crescent/star stamp is on the cymbal but it is "upside down" (ie: the crescent/star are nearer the center hole), is that an EAK?
There are no other markings on the cymbal.

 

[blueshadow]

I'm fine with derailing Here's a couple 16" EAKs (so much for prime numbers) I saw on ebay

Check out how model lettering I have not seen them with the "Dark" over the "Crash" like the one on bottom. Both appear to be EAK's (K on bottom) .....but the close ups look like the lettering has been touched up so proceed with caution

 

[zenstat]

Zen, if the crescent/star stamp is on the cymbal but it is "upside down" (ie: the crescent/star are nearer the center hole), is that an EAK?
There are no other markings on the cymbal.

I tend to use the lathing to distinguish between EAKs and IAKs when there is no other information. Hammering is pretty good too, but lathing seems more reliable. Most of what I've written up on the EAK IAK distinction so far looks at the ink and whether or not the model ink is upside down relative to the mounting hole. Now I'll have to go and review the photos in my gallery and see what examples I've got about the crescent/star pointing to the mounting hold vs the edge. Stay tuned...

 

[zenstat]

I'm fine with derailing Here's a couple 16" EAKs (so much for prime numbers) I saw on ebay

Check out how model lettering I have not seen them with the "Dark" over the "Crash" like the one on bottom. Both appear to be EAK's (K on bottom) .....but the close ups look like the lettering has been touched up so proceed with caution

And another thing I need to go and check out.

 

[blueshadow]

By the way the 19" ended up being really cool with an Aquarian tab on the bottom just outside the bell area, that's the first I've tried them on cymbals they work really well. For those not familiar they are I believe 10 mil thick mylar and about 1" by 3" and sticky, but reusable. They will leave a little residue if left on especially with the heat in Texas! I'm going to experiment with cutting some in half, they are fairly cheap. 5 of them are about $7. and 3 of them are clear, the other two are coated for use on coated drum heads.

 

[blueshadow]

I'm fine with derailing Here's a couple 16" EAKs (so much for prime numbers) I saw on ebay

Check out how model lettering I have not seen them with the "Dark" over the "Crash" like the one on bottom. Both appear to be EAK's (K on bottom) .....but the close ups look like the lettering has been touched up so proceed with caution

And another thing I need to go and check out.

Yeah a first for me, I've only been looking at American K's for about 10 years but I've looked at a lot of Ebay auctions and never have seen this.

Here's the close up on the one with Dark over Crash

 

[JazzDrumGuy]

Blue, my bad. I do have a Light Ride that has stacked writing - it's an EAK. I gotta find the pics....couldn't find so I took some (and sent to Zen outside your thread!)......

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[blueshadow]

Blue, my bad. I do have a Light Ride that has stacked writing - it's an EAK. I gotta find the pics....couldn't find so I took some (and sent to Zen outside your thread!)......

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Yeah was looking at pictures on google last night and saw some Light Rides and Crash Rides with the stacking, didn't see any other Dark Crashes but I'd suspect the pictures I posted would be legit